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Question: Why a campervan & at what cost?

 
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Posted on 20 Apr 2013 09:34

This is not really a question, more a matter of information. The background is that we produce an annual newsletter that accompanies our Xmas cards to family and special friends. We always add an appendix to the newsletter and this normally gives details of one of our numerous hobbies. The Appendix last year was about “The RoadRunner” (Our campervan built by me from a new Iveco LWB High-Top when I retired in 2010). I must admit it is a bit long winded, but those who want to read it will and others won’t bother! It is of course a purely personal (biased?) view and I would be more than interested to read why others have settled on a caravan or tent etc.

The Roadrunner (Advantages and Disadvantages)
People often ask “what are the advantages of one type of camping over another”. We have tried them all in the past and thinking that it might help other like minded people to make a choice we would like to take the opportunity of stating why we went the “Campervan” route.

To us the main advantage is that we can pull up somewhere and all of our facilities are immediately to hand. We do not have to erect anything, put down any legs or do anything irksome. If we go on a site we will have plugged into the site electricity supply and positioned the waste water tank within a couple of minutes. If it’s raining at the time we don’t bother and we use the onboard batteries until the rain stops.

Of course you get the same thing in a motor-home including a lot more room. Our campervan is a good foot (300mm) narrower than most Motorhomes so we can explore where others fear to tread. Our trips to Scotland last year, and Wales this year, are good examples of this and we certainly could not have done our route in a much wider vehicle without ending up with it scratched by the hedgerows.

The other advantage of a campervan over a motor-home is normally easier parking, but this is not always the case as lots of otherwise nice car parks are inaccessible because of height bars or weight limit restrictions. We then end up in the same position as the motorhome owners; i.e. we pay to stop at the local coach park (about £8- if there is one!). Also on occasion we have parked for a couple of hours in the local supermarket car park. You probably would not get away with this with a car and caravan.

The RoadRunner is 22 feet long 10 feet high and 6½ feet wide. This is definitely big for a campervan and we could have probably managed with a shorter one; however, we wanted to have plenty of headroom plus a permanent bed and not have to muck around at the end of the day making up a bed from numerous cushions and bits of plywood etc.

Having a permanent full size bed we have the luxury of an 8 inch thick mattress, proper sheets, pillows and a full size duvet. There is also plenty of storage under the bed which is 6 feet long 4½ feet wide and 20 inches high, but two thirds of it is not readily accessible unless we lift the split mattresses. The final third is accessed via the rear doors so we put the common use items there; e.g. picnic tables camping chairs, petrol generator, umbrella’s and electric cables etc.

We don’t normally stay in one place very long. Our normal modus operandi is to travel around on a daily basis; if we didn’t then we would probably opt for a caravan instead. We spend most of our time on official campsites (an average of about £18.00 for 2 adults and a dog per night, including electricity), but sometimes; - especially when travelling long distances, we stay on a motorway services for around £8.00 per night.

We also have occasional nights in a lay-by on the side of the road, or some other inconspicuous place, but this is followed by a night on a campsite or service area as although we have an onboard toilet we decided not to install shower facilities because of the problems of space and the additional water storage and water heating that would be required. Most people don’t realise that nearly all motorway service areas have free shower facilities so we make use of these.

Another quirk of the RoadRunner is our cooking facilities. When we first decided to build our own campervan we did not see the point of going on a site, paying for electricity, and then cooking with gas. Our normal cooking facilities consist of; an electric kettle, a double electric hob, a microwave and a portable halogen cooker. If we are on a campsite without electricity; e.g. the New Forest then we power those items with a Honda 2kw generator. If we are staying overnight on the side of the road etc then we have; a spirit stove (as used on some sailing boats), a portable gas stove and a 12v kettle, saucepan and frying pan. We also carry some disposable / portable barbecues, (handy for starting forest fires).


To have a campervan etc sitting on the drive is quite a considerable outlay so you need to make use of it or lose even more money. In fact there is a cut-off point where it would be cheaper to travel around in the family car and have overnight B&B. I estimate this cut of point to be 12.5 days of use per annum per every £1k of depreciation of the van per annum. . This must mean that nearly everyone who runs a campervan etc for just 2 weeks a year is throwing money down the drain.

How did I arrive at this figure? With my trusty calculator! I believe that you save £80.00 per night by staying in a campervan when compared to a B&B; e.g. Site fees £18.00 plus DIY breakfast £5.00 plus a nice DIY evening meal for £10.00 worth of goodies = £33.00. Average cost in a B&B = upwards of £73.00 per night plus evening meal and a drink at say an average of £40.00, making a daily total of £113.00 per night. Continuing with the calculations if you divide £1,000.00 by £80.00 the answer is 12.5 therefore for every 12.5 days you stay in the campervan you save £1,000.00 over the B&B costs thus offsetting £1,000.00 of depreciation. Any corrections or complaints on a postcard please!

It therefore seems fairly obvious that having a campervan or caravan etc is a waste of money. Like all things though this is not the whole story! We find nowadays that we are quite happy to sit in the sunroom and read, occasionally going out to play in the garden or in our respective sheds. We do not think that we could be bothered with driving around the countryside looking for and staying in Premier Inns etc. Also we cannot see many B&B’s accepting Gromit (our border collie) as an overnight guest.

The RoadRunner is different, we throw everything in and off we go. We see some nice scenery and we can stop and have a brew. We see somewhere nice to stop and park for the night and we stop. So far we have not been asked to move on, in fact the first time a copper says anything about us being parked overnight in a lay-by etc. we will scream racial prejudice and tell him that he would have ignored us if we were gypsies, “We can’t wait for the day when this happens”.

The other advantage we have is that the RoadRunner doubles as a second family car (cum pick-up truck) and it’s come in handy on many occasion collecting; large / heavy / bulky items, although we drew the line at 9 x railway sleepers and had them delivered. Incidentally we bought both “Kitty” and the RoadRunner around the same time and the mileage is within 3,000 miles of each other with Kitty the X-trail showing the slightly higher mileage.

We built the RoadRunner as a 2 berth only although it is fitted with seat belts in the 2 x seats in the dining area. To date we have had 32 trips in him staying away for up to 2 weeks. We also slept in him for 28 days this year while having major decorations / upgrade to our bedroom and bathroom

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Posted on 21 Apr 2013
hi Alan, very intersting read, my OH and me took up camping in tent's a few years ago as a bit of a joke really, my OH had never been camping and said she never would

so i bought a cheap tent and a few bits n bobs of camping kit and persuaded her to at least try it, to her ( and my ) surprise she took to it like a duck to water but 3 tents aand a couple of years later ,she decided we were too old to be sleeping on the floor in a tent and wanted a 'proper' bed and cooking faciilities, so i thought ' campervan' we had a look at a few but to be honest the ones we could afford at the time were not really any good ,most were well past their sell by date, then, as we own a car already, the added costs of a campervan ,i.e. fuel, road fund licence, mot and insurance further put us off

anyway we opted for a caravan, our 1 st ( a little avondale 2 berth orestes) cost us £300.00 ,was well looked after and damp free, we had that for a couple of years and enjoyed every trip we had in her, now we're on our 2nd tin tent ,again not a new one by any means but , well looked after, damp free, all mod cons, inc seperate shower cubicle, blown air heating and full size cooker all for the princely sum of £600

however our current caravan isn't saving us as much money as the first due to the fact it is quite a bit bigger than our 1st one so we can't keep it at home as our drive isn't big enough and as such we have her in storage

even so now we've got a caravan i can't see us moving into campervans in the near future but as they say ' never say never'
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Hello Peter. I to started of with tents and then progressed to a cheap caravan and we all had a lot of fun. Then disaster struck! we bought an expensive caravan and we all hated it. Wash your hands, wipe your feet, take your shoes off etc. We only kept it 3 years.
I got my first campervan in 1979 and still prefer them. We have just got home a couple of hours ago having been away for 5 days and it is surprising how many trailer tents we have seen. "Now there's a thought!
Posted by alan Myland on 23 Apr 2013
hi again Alan,
when we decided to move away from tent's ,i was considering a trailer tent myself ,best of both worlds i thought but she who must be obeyed wanted to move completely away from wobbly walled camping altogether ,hence the tin tent, still not given up hope yet of getting her to agree to a motorhome / camper at some point in the future though
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Posted on 24 Apr 2013
Hi Alan,
a very interesting and informative read, we started with tents then campervans then tried a caravan and back to campers again although as you say they are very expensive to be sat on the drive not being used, I own an old 23' motorhome myself, we tow a trailer with a motorcycle on it.
Unfortunately we have not used it in the past year, but can agree with a lot of what you say, and you have made me think about what you say about using leccy when hooked up on a camp site, I have never given it a second thought about cooking with leccy, I've always used our on board gas, but will certainly be considering it from now on, and save some gas in the bargain.
I've never liked B&Bs and not too keen on campsites but with a big van you have to think twice about where you are going to park, given the choice I would wild camp every time.
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Hello Peter. I don't know where in the country you live but we also like wild camping (well almost Wild). I can recommend the Ashurst camp site in the New Forest. They do have ablution blocks etc but you can pick your own wild pitch. It is about 170 miles for us but we have relations in the area so make a Round-Robin of it. I am a motorcycle fanatic and we also used to tow a motorbike trailer, then we retired and bought a dog. Suggest you check out "Kelly Kettles" on eBay. Posted by alan Myland on 24 Apr 2013
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Posted on 24 Apr 2013
thanks for the heads up Alan regarding the Ashurst camp in the new forest, we hail from yorkshire so would be a bit of a trek but hey thats what touring is all about,
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